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By atreides (Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 12:39:27 PM EST) (all tags)
...how I was going to write this one.  I guess the best way is to start at the beginning.  OK, maybe I'll just sum up the beginning and then get closer to the point.


I don't talk about my father very much.  It's because I've never really liked him much.  From smacking around my mother to using my grandmother when she was ill to completely ignoring my grandfather when he was dying, I've never really though much of my father.  Of course, I have an entire litany of childhood offenses to hold against him, but many of them are the kinds of things that only children find hurtful.  It's just that the sheer quantity of them add up to a mass comparable to an actual real reason to hold a grudge.  To sum up, he was a crappy part of my life until I was 17 (though a rarely seen one from 10 on) and then he was no part of my life from then on.  The last time I saw him was at my grandmother's funeral (18).  The time before that, I was throwing him out of my grandmother's house (15).  I used to hate him but that's long since changed into apathy.  Anger requires effort and that's far more energy than I'm willing to put into the relationship.

As some of you may or may not have heard, I got married recently. :P It was suggested (by the sweet and forgiving Welsh Girl) that I invite him.  I don't have an actual way to contact him directly but I have contact info for his sister (my aunt) so I invited her and left it to her to forward the news on to him.  And, had I actually heard from him, I probably would have invited him. 

I didn't hear from him but my aunt, who I haven't seen in years, was going to come to the wedding.  And she said that she had some important news to pass on to me.  And she might have if she hadn't fallen in the shower the day before and gone to the emergency room (she's alright now, for those who are wondering).  Since she couldn't tell me directly, she told my mother.  And my Mom, after spending some time deliberating how to tell me, finally told me the news.

My father didn't come to the wedding because he has AIDS.

Apparently, he remarried a couple of years ago and his new wife was carrying it.  Now she is in pretty bad shape and he's got it, too.  He was too embarrassed about it to try any contact.  So there it is.

Now here's the thing.  I'm not particularly torn up about this.  My father has, for all intents and purposes, been dead to me for a very long time.  But I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy.  Further comes a different conflict that has a lot less to do with him and more to do with me and my grandparents. 

My grandfather had several strokes in the years before he died.  After the first one, he was noticeably different.  After the second one, he was confined to bed.  After the third one, he never left the hospital.  Between the second and third he spent months in a bedroom in the same house I lived in and I could only bring myself to see him once.  I loved my grandfather more than any person on Earth and I, at 13, couldn't stand to see him that way.

My grandmother eventually went into a nursing home after her body and mind began to deteriorate.  I tried to take care of her for quite a while but, being both a self absorbed teenager wanting more independence and totally unequipped, untrained and unprepared to take care of an elderly woman, professionals were needed.  Once she went into that home, I didn't visit her much.  I was, well, a self absorbed teenager.  That and I didn't want to see her that way.  I loved her very much but 17 isn't an age that any kid wants to look into the eyes of mortality of any kind, much less of the people he loves.  And I'm still screwing that pooch because she still doesn't have a gravestone. 

So, here's my dilemma.  I don't particularly love my father and if someone had come up to me and told me he was dead, I would not have been very upset.  Now it looks like he's soon to begin a long day's journey into night like both of his parents before him.  I don't love my father but I loved my grandparents.  Can I do to their son what I did to them?  Can I really leave him to face it alone?  Maybe if I do nothing, he'll still have people around him so he won't have to but I don't know if there is anyone.  With Grandma and Grandpa, I was a child and I didn't know better.  I don't have that excuse now.  If I leave him, it's because I made the choice.  Should I do that to him?  Can I do that to them again?  They're gone so why should it even matter.  I have a wife and (Jeebus willing and the crick don' rise) one day children and a family of my own to to have to worry about. 

I guess the real question here ultimately is when do the debts of the past give way to the needs of the future? 

And that's all I have to say about that.

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Hey, soldier. by ammoniacal (4.00 / 4) #1 Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 12:45:29 PM EST
You probably didn't like that last CO much, but you still went to his Change of Command ceremony.
Put aside your personal feelings and do the right thing here.

Irony: ammo says it's time. Tom is blocked.


The thing is, he's still your dad. by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #2 Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 01:34:30 PM EST
And it's still going to leave a hole.

My dad and I were never really close because we were simply too different as people. He was a truck driver, a greaser (in the 50's sense) and a people person. I was a geek who preferred books to people. We didn't have a lot to say to each other and I wasn't exactly his favorite person.

When he died, I was astonished at how broken up I was. Now, almost 10 years later, I was digitizing some old home videos when I heard his voice on the tape - and it was like getting slapped in the head.

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Has anybody seen my clue? I know I had it when I came in here.


I have no advice by theboz (2.00 / 0) #3 Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 01:51:40 PM EST
However, it sounds like you and I had very similar upbringings, in terms of relationships with our fathers.  I will be watching this thread closely to see what people tell you, because I'm conflicted in a similar way despite my "dad" not having a critical situation like yours does.
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That's what I always say about you, boz, you have a good memory for random facts about pussy. -- joh3n


the only thing i can say concretely is... by clock (4.00 / 2) #4 Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 01:55:47 PM EST
...get the headstone for your grandmother.  in reading what you have here, that is clearly a priority (for you).

as to the rest?  i don't know.  i'm tainted by my own son.  the idea of treating him in such a way as to have that kind of rift is terrifying to me.  i could never do that.  i can't imagine it.  my dad and i didn't always see eye to eye, but i've always loved him and always known that he loves me.

it's hard to advocate the denial of compassion.  i would think that no matter what you do, you'll be "right."  whatever that means.  you'll sleep at night either way.


Clock is right. [nt] --vorheesleatherface



The headstone is on hold... by atreides (4.00 / 1) #5 Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 01:58:37 PM EST
...because I used my gubmint handoutsurplus check to help Welsh Girl start a business but that is a story for a later time...

He sails from world to world in a flying tomb, serving gods who eat hope.
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I really think it's up to you by tuscoops (4.00 / 2) #6 Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 02:04:15 PM EST
And it could go either way.

I honestly don't think your grandparents would begrudge or judge you for not wanting to reach out to him at this time. They'd want the best for you, no matter what the "best" was defined as, and even if it meant leaving their son in the state that he chose for himself. Obviously, he didn't choose AIDS, but he chose to distance and alienate himself from anyone who loved him long ago. And there would be the concern that, if things weren't civil, that any contact between the two of you could make things worse.

Or, you could reconcile. My impulse would be to ask him to help get a gravestone for your grandmother, as I think it would be one thing that would redeem himself to you, to her, and to himself before he dies. And, you'd give what you could to him while he's still here, nothing more, nothing less.

In the end, either way the choice is yours, and there really is no wrong choice. Just know in your heart that you've made the best choice.



There is no right answer. by Lady Jane (4.00 / 1) #7 Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 02:43:08 PM EST
All we can do in this life is our best to be happy, and not hurt others in the process.  When making these decisions I usually aim for the "no regrets" route, and only you can determine how you might feel about your decision later.

It isn't an easy one to make, and I don't envy you.

I would however get the gravestone as soon as you can.  Everyone dropped the ball (and her son, my uncle, squandered the life insurance) and I ended up buying the stone.  I didn't visit her but once after her mind started going, so I know how you feel about that.  But I know I did right by her after she died, and it helps.  

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I'm biased by skippy (2.00 / 0) #8 Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 02:45:50 PM EST
because my father-in-law is a complete and total asshole.  For all intents and purposes he is dead to his daughters, and I believe at least two of them wish he was dead.  I'm not sure whether it was being a self-absorbed alcoholic, beating his wife and kids, or telling them that they were worthless.  Maybe it was how any time you were nice to him, he would try to take advantage of you, or how he burned any bridges that people tried to put up.  Was it that his 'new' girlfriend moved in with him about a month after his wife died of cancer?  Perhaps it was because of all of that abuse that he heaped on his son that my led my brother-in-law to commit suicide.  There's lots of reasons to hate my father-in-law.

Ask yourself this:  has your father done anything to deserve your support?  Simply being your father doesn't count.



perhaps you should ease your way in by StackyMcRacky (4.00 / 1) #9 Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 02:54:46 PM EST
start by just writing him a letter, and see what happens.



i was going to suggest that, too by LilFlightTest (2.00 / 0) #13 Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 05:57:58 PM EST
that puts some of this on dad, too. if he doesn't want to be seen, visited, pitied, or whatever he thinks will happen, then it's also his choice.
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It almost sounds as if . . . by slozo (2.00 / 0) #10 Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:18:09 PM EST
. . . you want to try and initiate some kind of contact again, if not only for a brief moment. What's the worst that could happen?



Done you wrong. by blixco (4.00 / 3) #11 Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:24:16 PM EST
Just happened to be listening to some heavy east Texas blues, thus the title.

The best thing about being human is, we can forgive. No other animal seems to have the same capacity for it. We can forgive when it looks (through an evolutionary lens) like a bad idea.

And emotions are what they are, but at some point, you just let go.

I hate quoting lyrics like I hate quoting philosophers and I hated my last therapist but I've had my share of gigantic parental issues and it is strange how easy it is to just

let

go.

Like they all say to do. Then an enemy becomes just a man, and that man, hey, he could become a father if the lighting is right and the words are the good ones, even if they mean it all had to fall apart to get there.

Or not. Sometimes the dead man is just an obituary and a distant grumbling of thunder, and nothing more. The only thing to define that space between father and stranger is the forgiveness that you can willingly give up to the situation.

The thing is, though, can any of us be that perfect? I know that I can't.

And no-one can be blamed for being human: capacity to forgive, willingness to learn, but also the ability to choose when the act is useless or cruel or downright bad.

You're on the right road. Whatever happens, happens. The world will turn, and you will find your peace within it, regardless.
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"You bring the weasel, I'll bring the whiskey." - kellnerin


Do you believe in an afterlife? by lm (4.00 / 2) #12 Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 05:46:12 PM EST
If so, do what you think your grandparents expect of you as their grandchild who is now a man. It'll make them smile.

If not, do what you think will be easiest to live with for the time you have remaining.


There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic


My father was by Phage (2.00 / 0) #14 Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 03:29:38 AM EST
a deadbeat pig of a man. Now dead. (A story over a beer someday)
But my advice would be to ignore the father issues, let them develop over time or not, but treat him as a distant relative with a chronic disease he would appreciate all the support he can get.

Founder member Golgafrinchan 'B' Ark


Do what you have to do by Breaker (2.00 / 0) #15 Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 06:31:31 AM EST
Because that's your face you'll be looking at in the mirror everyday.

What will you gain or lose by making contact?
What will you gain or lose by not making contact?




On Fathers by littlestar (4.00 / 2) #16 Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 10:47:02 AM EST
My dad is not the greatest either. I mean, he's not evil (although some might disagree) but he's made life pretty difficult for me and my family many times.
I left when I was sixteen because of my dad, no one would believe me when I said he was bipolar (which I had been saying since I was twelve) and I just couldn't take the constant barrage of horrible thoughts that came out of his mouth. I thought then, when I left, that I was done with him for good.
I was sooo happy that I wouldn't have to deal with him again, I was done. And I was, for a little while.
Then, my mother would be bemoan my relationship with him, ask me to be nice to him ("it's not his fault" etc.). So, eventually I built a new relationship with him, but not because I thought it wasn't his fault or because I feel sorry for him, I did it for my mother and my family. To make things easier, and make me feel like I was doing the right thing.
I decided that for me to feel okay, I have to do my best to make things smooth for my mother. Not because I feel some debt to my dad,  but I because I feel one to my mother.
I think that usually, we know what it is that we think is the right answer, we just might not like it, so we search for something easier. And, of course, the right answer for me is the wrong answer for someone else.
I think that you know what you should do. You know what you feel bound to do because of your love for others in your family, and because you feel sympathy for a human. Being kind to someone in death doesn't mean that you forgive them for all past harms. You never need to say, I forgive you for the past; you can show kindness and empathy for current situations and have it be just that. What people take from your actions is what they need to take, to resolve their own reality baggage.
Not everyone needs to be the hero. Not everyone deserves a hero. You know the answer.
*twinkle*twinkle*

*littlestar.


Contact him while you have a chance by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #17 Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 08:47:50 PM EST
if he's still an asshole, at least your conscience is clear.




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